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-- well, there has not in a conversation what to do, whether or not to move this for an amendment. it would be a hostile amendment. i think what is necessary as this bill needs to go through clean. it was written with the intent to be a clean repeal.

i think the time, i don't know, it's been dropped for six sessions. we've had plenty of time. the people are waiting for us. the quickest path is a clean repeal. i vote nay. >> you have three minutes. >> this bill has been dropped for six sessions, but that is where we identify problems, and we get a wider variety of voices , including members of the public. in addition, the legal landscape has shifted romantically since the bill was first introduced. -- dramatically since the bill was first introduced. my colleagues's estate on repealing the pre-road law that was reaffirmed by the legislature as recently as 2022. what evidence do we have at any of arizona's officers will actually were enforce -- will actually enforce the law? >> point of order has been enforced. who has a point of order? >> mr. speaker pro tem, you said to stick to what the motion was. that was not the motion.

under rule 19a, no member will be indulged to entertain -- to engage in offensive language or use language tending to hold a member of the house or senate up to contempt. >> what specifically did he say that is in violation of rule 19a? >> mr. speaker pro tem, he is speaking on something that is not the motion and you did not allow us to -- >> i am asking what was in violation. >> mr. speaker, he said that he did not believe that we would uphold it, and that is when i stood up. he was about to start talking about the 15 week ban. >> representative hernandez, while i appreciate your attempt to stop the representative, i appreciate he is speaking with in the confines of his substitute motion, which had a very wide berth with regards to the right of action being

brought against the abortion laws. i invite you to speak, but adhere to house rules and be respect will of the chamber. please continue. >> as i was saying, we have no insurance that any of arizona's officers will enforce 15 week laws if we repeal the pre-road law. governor hobbs issued an unconstitutional executive order purporting to strip arizona's 15 county attorneys have their authority to prosecute any abortion crimes at all until birth. the attorney general has taken the position that she does not intend to enforce any abortion laws as well, until birth. i am deeply troubled with the possibility that even as this body votes to repeal the per your bro law, our democratic -- the pre-roe law, our senators will still be hesitant to enforce the 15 week law. if we add private action to the 15 week law, just as texas did,

that ensures abortion will not be unlimited and unrestricted in the state of arizona. i have already drafted language to amend hb2677 on this issue of statewide importance that we thoroughly addressed all of arizona's abortion laws and ensure that any remaining laws will be enforced. iron rich everyone to vote yes on my substitute amendment. this is about good governments and the rule of law. if, as proponents of this bill say, this is about getting 15 weeks, then it should be no difficulty ensuring that 15 weeks is enforced. >> how do you vote? >> aye. >> how do you vote? [calling roll]

willoughby, how do you vote? clerk, record the votem 29-31. the substitute motion fails. >> i move the previous question on the pending motion. i request a roll call vote. >> roll call vote has been requested. members, a roll call vote, just as a brief explanation, under rule 22 requires no expedition -- no explanation. once a previous question has

been called, all you are allowed to do is vote yes or no one that previous question motion. the clerk is going to put that question on the board. if you support the call for a previous question, you will vote aye. if you oppose the request to call the previous question, you will vote no.

the previous question has been called. those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no. vote at the bell. [tell rings -- [bell rings]

>> how do you vote? clerk, record the vote, 39-21. the previous question call is successful. now to the original motion from mr. gress. a roll call vote will be made on the motion made by mr. gress.

during the roll call vote, three minutes will be given to explain by the ayes, three minutes to the nos. mr. speaker, i will choose you, if you would like, to speak on behalf of your caucus. i would like to know from the minority leader who will be speaking.

a motion has been made that the house bill be calendared for reading of votes immediately. vote at the bell. [bell rings] mr. hamilton, you will speak first. oh, stand by. members, please vote. the affirmatives will speak last. mr. speaker. >> mr. speaker pro tem, i rise to explain my vote. >> proceed. >> mr. speaker pro tem and members, we should not have rushed this bill through the legislative process. the pre-road law has been on the

books for decades and was readopted in 1977 by democrats and republicans in the state legislature, signed by a democratic governor, raul castro. in my opinion, it would have been prudent and responsible to allow the courts to decide the constitutionality of the pre-road law -- the pre-roe law , but instead we were rushing to judgment. as i have said before, this does not make it effective any sooner. had we taken the time to deliberate and hear from the public as well on this important issue. p but i want to take a moment and just address what happened on this floor two weeks ago. the chaos, the outbursts, the personal attacks, the lack of decorum we saw from members of the other side of the aisle

displayed on this very floor two weeks ago is completely unacceptable. this is a legislative body. this is not a place for activism. we must be able to respectfully disagree and have honest debates while we make critical decisions for the people of arizona. this chamber must be one of reflective deliberation and consideration, and i ask my colleagues to respect this institution and treat it the respect deserves. i respectfully vote no. >> representative steel hamilton. >> thank you, mr. speaker pro tem. i rise to ask why my vote. thank you, mr. speaker pro tem.

i want to say i am appreciate and grateful to mr. grass -- mr. gress for bringing this bill forward, and with that i vote aye. willoughby, how do you vote? carter, how do you vote? willoughby, how do you vote?

just as a reminder, members, you are voting on a motion. there was a roll call vote requested. only one person speaks per side. if this motion carries, there will be a third read. willoughby votes no. the motion carries. the third reading bill for have -- the third reading is for house bill 2677. >> relating to family or fences. >> that is the third read of the house bill 2677. vote at the bell. [bell rings]

representative jackie parker. >> mr. speaker pro tem, i rise to explain my vote. >> please proceed. >> as someone who voted on the 15 week bill in 2022, i would like to make it clear that it was never the intent to overturn the pre-roe law in that bill. once roe v. wade was overturned, it was our intent that the pre-roe law become the law of arizona again. everyone was very clear. i don't know why suddenly people are flipping their positions. the arizona supreme court ruled collectively in recognizing the intent of the legislature in their ruling. legislators in this state, even when part of it was controlled by democrats, have never intended to, and have been factory and firm this -- have in

fact reaffirmed this pre-roe law. abortion is barbaric, akin to slavery, establishing that a baby is mere property that can be disposed of as the property owner sees fit. it is wrong, and while a few tweaks to the pre-roe lame be in order to provide clarity on miscarriages and an additional exception of rape along with the current exception to stabilize the mother, a complete repeal as a betrayal of everything arizona has always stood for. at 15 weeks, a baby can feel pain, and during abortion, their skulls are crushed and their limbs are ripped from their body. it is insulting that the consulting class and other scribblers characters are pursuing a goal they have had over 50 years to remove the pro-life plank from the republican platform. the republican party was started for the purpose of ending slavery, and it is unfortunate that a few republicans today are abandoning that cause. it will be very unfortunate to

see them on the wrong side of this civil rights issue. with that i vote no. >> jackie parker votes no. representative jones. >> thank you, mr. speaker pro tem. i raise to explain my vote. >> please proceed. >> i am disgusted today. life is one of the tenets of our republican platform. to see people go back on that value is egregious to me. i do want to point out a lot of times from the pro-choice side, they talk about rape and incest and the life of the mother. the pre-roe law did allow for abortions in the life of the mother. when it comes to rape and incest, we are talking about 1.5% or less of all abortions. 2% of abortions are occurring

because of rape and incest and the life of the mother, and those are coming to situations that none of us think r.o.k., but the other -- none of us think are ok, but the other 98% occurring are because of convenience or the desire to just not want a child. that decision should be made -- >> point of order to be called. >> pause your time. who called the point of order? >> ms. sandoval, can i ask you to not use your cell phone and fill me while we are performing our duties? can you put your phone down, please? that makes the chair uncomfortable. and q. go ahead. -- thank you. go ahead. please state the rule and what she said. >> rule 19, representative -- >> a, b, c, or d? >> a.

the representative is insinuating that people that have abortions are doing it for convenience, and it is insulting -- [uproar] [gavel] >> that is not going to happen in this chamber, and i will vacate the gallery if that happens. we are not doing that today. lee's continue with your point of order, and i want to hear exactly what she said that is in violation of rule 19a. >> people who have abortions are doing it out of convenience, that is insulting. when women who have to have an abortion for topic pregnancies or medical reasons and are having to resort to this, or women that -- >> ok, i just need to know the rule number and what she said. this is not your time to explain your vote. you will get that. >> that was it. >> can you please approach? thank you.

>> the point of order has been withdrawn. ms. jones, please continuing cider time with the explanation of your vote. -- continue inside your time with the explanation of your vote. >> thank you. as i was saying, a lot of the arguments thrown at us about abortion are one of very few abortions occurring. what happens at 15 weeks, which 15 week abortions are still occurring at a 95% rate, and the way that 47% of those are surgical, where they do rip the baby's limbs off and crush the baby's skull. the reason i am going to vote no on this bill is repealing this log right now is moot. it is stuck in the courts. we don't even have to deal with it right now. it is not even enforceable, so

why are we rushing to do this? we need to have conversations about this topic. we need to do, things that are not rushed and for political points. with that, i vote no. speaker pro tem grantham: jones votes no. >> mr. speaker pro tem, i rise in order to explain my vote. speaker pro tem grantham: please proceed. >> you know, in the past several weeks, i have had some members of the republican grassroots come up to me, even some members of the republican has roots and go -- republican grassroots and go, you guys really have to repeal the pre-roe law, the 1977 law, because if you don't, the democrats are going to beat us in the election. that is not a majority position by any means, but it is the position of a few both inside and outside this body. iowa's respond with a simple

question of my own. which is, why do we want to win an election? there's a lot of important issues out there. election integrity. second amendment. educational choice. but the gop was not founded to advance any of those causes. the gop was founded to prevent the spread of the dehumanizing institution of slavery onto free soil. it was founded to fight for and preserve the dignity of every human person. my answer to the question of why i want to win an election is so that the gop can carry out its mission.

let's have some clarity here. what are we talking about doing in this chamber in exchange for winning that election? we are talking about killing infants. let's think about that. we are willing to kill infants in order to win an election. put in that context, it becomes a little harder to stomach, doesn't it? besides, legalizing abortion up until birth is not going to help us win an election. the polls show that. this is mostly an issue that is of concern with democratic voters. our grassroots is strongly pro-life. but more than that, i think there can be confusion between what issues poll popularly, and what actually

makes voters vote for somebody. voters, and i have talked to many on the other side to pay them the respect, and almost universally they say i respect your position, it's consistent, but we do not respect our folks who are willing to move their position around like the wind just for political advantage. i am more likely to get a vote from a pro-choice voter because they respect me then if i flipped and voted the other way around. speaker pro tem grantham: how do you vote, mr. kolodin. >> at the end of the day, politics are important, but it is not our souls. i need to look at myself in the mirror. the only way to do that -- . please vote -- speaker pro tem grantham: please vote. your time is expired. how do you vote? as they a point of order beyond the close to 22nd time violation -- was there a point of order beyond the close to 22nd time violation? >> i would like to explain my

vote. speaker pro tem grantham: please proceed. >> we have heard from our colleagues across the aisle about women's rights and health care when it comes to the topic of abortion. however, we have not heard about the disproportionate abortions when it comes to black women across this country, something that may be many of us are uncomfortable with. there was a report from congress in 2011 and 2012 that was called the abortion surveillance report issued id center for disease control, and it says black women make up 14% of the childbearing population yet obtain 36.2% of reported abortions. black women have the highest abortion rates in the country with 474 abortions per 1000. percentages at these levels illustrate that more than 19 million black babies have been aborted since 1973. the prevalence of abortion

facilities within the minority communities serve as a major contributor to the rate at which black women obtain abortions. and accordingly, black women are five times more likely to have an abortion than white women. a recent study released by protecting black life concluded that 79 percent of planned parenthood surgical abortion facilities are strategically located within walking distance of african and hispanic communities. we have not seen paradise valley, scottsdale with one of these facilities. this study coincides with historical revelations that eugenicists dating to the mid-1900s also argued that the most effective way they could have as their agenda would be to concentrate population control facilities -- the most effective way they could advance their agenda would be to concentrate population control facilities in minority

communities. there is a hidden agenda because they believe they were receiving a new civil right choice. in fact, pro-abortion forces have created messaging that reinforces the notion of abortion as a civil right, as seen in 2012 at the meeting of the congressional black caucus and the pro-choice caucus. on capitol hill, these advocates urged their constituents to challenge planned parenthood targets minority neighborhoods and perhaps unknowingly, these black legislators continually damage the political agenda because abortion is restoring their constituency. we are told in first corinthians, are you are beyond any price. therefore glorify god in your body and in your spirit. we are told in jeremiah one versus five, before i formed you in your room, i knew you.

before you were born, i sanctified you. i don't think our savior is happened and what is happening right now and i vote no. speaker pro tem grantham: thank you. representative barbara parker. >> mr. speaker pro tem, a race to explain my vote. speaker pro tem grantham: please proceed. > i was born to speak the truth for the voiceless. stop cutting this pre-civil war 1864 law. accurately it was updated by a democratic governor. stop calling it archaic to ban abortions. it is archaic to abortions. surgical abortions are literally identical to the most horrific form of execution called drawing and quartering from the ancient assyrians where a person was dismembered and beheaded all while still alive. wait, oopsie, that's exactly what we are doing to children in the room right now with abortion except now we end up crashing

their sports, sucking out their brains and selling their body parts. we are so progressive, aren't we? when the press that atc deploys a new 2024, i would correct this save signatory 24. ifb.c. bc. studies have shown that women who abort have a lifetime of anxiety, depression, ptsd, infertility and three times more likely to commit suicide. today's vote is not about women are rites or freedoms. women, you are free to trade, frankly birth control, choose to be a mother, choose to get adoption and to choose to have health and compression all along interested community. how many bills have caused artists to stop violence? stop maternal deaths?

stop abuse? protect animal rights? stop organ harvesting? safe missing and exploited children chris licht even attempting to stop tooth decay? now we are stopping to kill babies and heavy addresses, health care? as long as we are teaching children it's ok to kill children in the womb, we will never be able to convince them that it is not ok to go to that in the classroom. i say it is time for women to stand up for women, for girls and for life and to stop sentencing on the bus. here in the halls of the legislature, as well as in the womb as a cardiovascular intensive care nurse, i spent an entire career of stopping hurts, not stopping a beating one -- starting hearts, not stopping a beating one. the torturous murder of innocent voiceless. i hear the excited screams and i vote no.

speaker pro tem grantham: barbara parker both know. have you onboarded? -- have you voted? i am going to say a few words boiled the rate on our final couple of votes and explain my vote. i am pro-life. i am part of that. i have been here for eight years and i have seen this gallery filled with people on every side of every issue, and this is the first time in a long time that i can remember seeing this gallery filled with people who disagree with something. like this. that is taking place.

usually our opposition is in the gallery. and it breaks my heart that you are here to witness this. i am proud of my republican caucus that has fought this off as long as it has. we are dealing with an issue that i wouldn't wish on any individual in this world to have to choose on. i have a dear friend that just last a roughly 22-week out complicated pregnancy that they tried and fired every second of every day to preserve the child's life and they lost that battle, without making this choice, they tried. god chose. i have been frustrated with the gross misinformation that has

good through the media and through social media with regards to this issue and what arizona's law was before this happened and now. this didn't happen. this quickly. this doesn't even change anything for easily four to five months. i think the timing on this is poor. i disagree wholeheartedly with that, and i would just like to clarify for the record that the support ann that is prehistoric and archaic, it didn't account for the life of the matter. and it was reaffirmed by numerous legislatures and a democrat governor, including one senator still sounds in the state senate, a democratic senator who voted for. so to see how this has been turned against one party and as weaponization of the issue is

testing. i hope people are happy now. and i would encourage them to vote no on any further law that expands abortions in our state i vote no. speaker toma? >> mr. speaker pro tem, i would like to spend my vote. speaker pro tem grantham: please proceed. >> thank you. i am 100% for life. the only exceptions should be the mother. i am disappointed. it appears that democrats apparently believe abortions should occur with no limits and no regulations. i fervently disagree with those who advocate for extremism through unlimited, unrestricted and unregulated abortions. unrestricted abortions are not health care. don't take my word for it. a post on x from our neighbor

governor. "instead of focusing on california's very real problems -- i paraphrase here, "we are interfacing witnesses legislation that will allow doctors from arizona to come to california to provide abortions." abortion pill's life. abortion kills the members of our society. just because the mother may not want the child does not mean the child is not precious or have inherent value in agreement with maicon, i, am governor hobbs to rescind her executive order restricting county authorities of their authority to prosecute abortion-related crimes. but i really need that i am not optimistic that she or the attorney general will follow the

will of the people or the law even post this appeal. arizonans do not want abortion on demand partial-birth abortions, abortions for children that marital consent, or dangerous abortions that jeopardize the health of pregnant women and their children. most arizonans do not support unrestricted abortion. i vote no. speaker pro tem grantham: speaker with. clark, record the vote. 32 ayes, 28 hours. instructed to commit the bill to the senate. members, we are back to points of personal privilege, announcements. >> thank you, mr. speaker pro tem. i am more of that in compliance with house rules five c, the clerk permitted to transmit the

house bill to the sender immediately and if we turned amended, be transferred to the governor immediately and i a roll call vote. speaker pro tem grantham: he has made a motion that has been seconded and requested a rule vote. members, i would suggest you do not leave the chamber because there is going to be another vote. a motion has been made and a vote, we will leave it on the board momentarily. can you approach please?

i don't even know what --

ms. parker, you have a point of order? please rise and state your point of order. >> mr. speaker pro tem, this motion is in violation of rule 21. speaker pro tem grantham: i will strike and find this with you -- fight this to the end with you, that is not the motion. so your point of order is overruled.

members, the roll call vote has been asked for on the motion to transmit house bill 20 677 immediately to the senate and if returned and amended, be immediately transmitted to the governor. please note at the ballot.

-- please vote at the bell.

members, the affirmative will speak in the closing. who will speak?

while we are deciding who will speak, please allow me to explain my vote. i am going to vote no. and i will tell you why i will vote no. this is a ridiculous motion that sets a ridiculous precedents and drives a knife further into the wound of a body that just dealt with an awful, disgusting situation for more than three weeks. this is unnecessary. it shouldn't even be on the board. and believe me, we will remember this when you attempt to continuously bring things up that are not going to be supported by our caucus as a whole. i vote no. who would like to speak? ms. hamilton. >> thank you, mr. speaker pro tem. as a person's bills never get hurt, never go anywhere, this is

just an immaterial motion that makes sure that this bill continues to move through the process and that we are able to take care of what needs to be done, so with that, i vote aye. speaker pro tem grantham: hamilton birds aye. ms. willoughby, how do you vote? i'd be in the chamber? close the board. 30 hours, 29 hours. one not voting. she is not in the chamber, she does not vote. [gavel bangs] [indistinct shouting] is ms. willoughby in the chamber and was she in the chamber when the vote was called? [gavel bangs] i will ask the sergeant at arms behind ms. willoughby if she was in the chamber when the vote was called. if she was not, we will not be

counting ms. willoughby's vote. ms. willoughby, i need you to vote. you can approach that diets and vote, or announce your vote publicly. 30 ayes, 30 no's the motion fails.

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